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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 09:15 BST-1
From: Ofir Gal <ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Available Keyboard Keys
To: gem-list@world.std.com
Message-Id: <memo.541640@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Precedence: bulk
In message <m0qJxh9-0001PbC@sdf.lonestar.org>, ekl@sdf.lonestar.org said:
>
>is SO good that no one will want to change is not reading the list! I want
>window close to follow the guidelines of 3 major companies. Ofir wants to
>follow a standard that was created by the German ATARI community that has
>never been accepted by ATARI. You can't please both of us.
By following the German standard I can please the _vast_majority_ of users
and developers for the Atari. Let me remind you that my proposal suggests
a compromise which is intuitive (^Tab for cycling etc.). And I have thrown
out the German CTRL+M. Atari have done more damage with their guide lines.
They came too late when the standards de-facto have long been established.
In the UK there are no programs of any significance coming from non-German
sources with the exception of Neodesk, STraight Fax and possibly STalker.
Almost all new programs come from Germany. This will be the same in the US
very soon. The US market is already catching up with NVDI. Also note that
Speedo is no longer in American hands, and Mag!X/MagiC is already winning
the approval of the mags and users. I think you are out of touch with the
current developments.
Latest issues of UK mags
ST Review July 94 GEM apps review list:
* Papyrus - German
* Migraph OCR - German (?)
* TrakCom - Dutch/German
Article about GEM clipboard - the only American apps that support it
correctly are STraight FAX and Atari Works (not really American). All new
German apps support the clipboard.
Talk about non-modal dialogs. The German developers were first.
ST Review August 94 GEM apps review list:
* Diamond Back 3 - US
* Kobold - Germany
* Arabesque 2 - German/Dutch
* UIS 3 - US (unsupported)
* Selectric - German
ST Format July 94:
* DA's Vektor - German
* Thought! - German (?)
* Clarity 16 - UK
* Mag!X - German
Get the picture?
You are right about the 2 levels creating problems. However, the appdefs
file is currently only a proposal. Let's take it a step at a time.
In message <m0qJxde-0001PbC@sdf.lonestar.org>, ekl@sdf.lonestar.org said:
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> o If you put your dialog in a window, the "closer" should be the same as
>CANCEL or ABORT. The "mover" should allow moving the dialog. If you want
The Closer should not mean Cancel or Abort. I suggest you have a look at
the Control Panel (by Atari:-) for a simple example, or Papyrus (demo is
available) for a more serious example.
> o The new TOOLBAR settings may make dialog handling a bit easier. It
The new TOOLBAR is not available to any users, so you may as well forget
about it.
Bye,
Ofir ogal@cix.compulink.co.uk